MENU
 

PRE TAX NTA |$3.48

Value as at close of business on 14 March 2025

‘I Know It Sounds Crazy’: Cathie Wood’s Next Big Idea

It’s been a sneakily good year for the world’s most divisive investor, Cathie Wood.

‍Her flagship Ark Innovation ETF is up 41 per cent, or more than twice the broader market. Her long-held belief in the transformative power of artificial intelligence has become a mainstream investor narrative.

‍The price of her beloved bitcoin has doubled to almost $US38,000 this year, while the share price of Tesla, Ark’s most prominent holding, has jumped 124 per cent.

Ark Invest CEO Cathie Wood remains as big-picture as ever. Picture: David Rowe

‍And perhaps most importantly, Wood’s view that US inflation would rapidly fade appears to be playing out, with soft consumer price and producer price data released this week coming in softer than expected, sparking an impressive rally on Wall Street.

‍Speaking from Ark’s headquarters in Florida ahead of her appearance at the Sohn Hearts & Minds Conference on Friday, Wood says she believes disinflation is now just around the corner in the US.

‍The dramatic fall in the share price of Cisco on Thursday night after it warned of a slowdown in orders, is indicative of a broader slowdown in capital spending that Wood believes will force the Federal Reserve to pivot rapidly towards rate cuts.

‍“I think they’re going to see [inflation back at their target of] 2 per cent all right. I think they’re going to see minus 2 per cent, and that is going to precipitate a very significant shift in Fed policy,” she says.

‍Wood’s army of (often male) critics will point out that while she may have called many of the big themes in markets this year, her longer-term predictions continue to look extreme. Ark has tipped bitcoin to hit $US1.48 million by 2030, and believes Tesla’s share price can jump nine-fold by 2027. And despite this year’s gains, Wood’s flagship fund is down 73 per cent off its 2021 peak, and basically flat over five years.

‍Her call for deflation and rate cuts raises an obvious issue: while lower rates will help long-duration growth stocks, a sharp economic slowdown will also hit consumer-facing tech stocks such as Tesla.

‍Wood does expect a harder landing than many pundits, but argues the US has been in a series of rolling recessions in various sectors – including housing – for two years, and there is unlikely to be the sort of systemic problems seen during the GFC.

‍The price cuts Tesla boss Elon Musk has pushed through on the firm’s vehicles are proof he sees the potential for an economic slowdown, but Wood argues that the recent decisions by Ford and GM to wind back their expansions into electric vehicles should mean Tesla’s market share can stay higher for longer.

‍And she says EVs will continue to capture a bigger share of the car market as drivers seek vehicles that are cheaper to run and maintain. “Innovation tends to gain share at an accelerated rate during a recession.”

‍Ark continues to bet that Tesla, via its plans to make its vehicles fully autonomous, remains the best AI play in the world. But while markets have embraced the potential for AI this year, Wood has become more selective in the sector.

‍Ark’s flagship fund has sold its holding in Nvidia, for example, and Wood has warned Alphabet (owner of Google) faces a classic innovator’s dilemma; the more it expands into AI, the more it threatens its revenue from web search.

‍She favours companies that are already leaders in a tech field; have real AI expertise and commitment; have strong, preferably global distribution; and have data no one else has. US robotic process automation software UiPath (up 52 per cent this year) is an example, but Tesla is the clear leader, Wood says.

‍While she concedes the deployment of full self-driving has taken longer than she expected, she remains convinced it will be approved by regulators who are seeing road accidents surge; Tesla’s self-driving tests are running one incident every 3.2 million miles, compared to one per 500,000 miles for the average car on the road. With full self-driving comes autonomous taxis, central to Ark’s bullish Tesla case.

‍If Wood’s enthusiasm for Tesla is undiminished by the human controversy machine that is Elon Musk, her support for bitcoin has, incredibly, been enhanced by Sam Bankman-Fried’s fraud conviction.

‍“FTX was a centralised entity. It was completely opaque, not at all transparent and completely fraudulent. Bitcoin is completely decentralised and completely transparent.”

‍The fact it has risen as US regional banks have come under increasing pressure this year is proof investors are looking for assets that will protect them from counterparty risk.

‍Wood sees a role for bitcoin in emerging markets and argues that, unlike gold, a rising bitcoin price cannot incentivise new supply because there will only ever be 21 million bitcoin created. On Ark’s numbers, a diversified portfolio should have between 2 per cent and 6.5 per cent in bitcoin; the mooted approval of spot bitcoin ETFs could make that diversification easier, and provide an extra tailwind for the asset class.

‍If Wood’s credentials as an investor are regularly questioned, her skills as a marketer are as sharp as ever. She never sits on the fence, and seems totally unchastened by that sharp fall in her flagship fund from the frothy days of 2021.

‍That justifiably grates with many in markets; there is none of the public self-reflection we typically see from great investors who have had tough years. But since Chanticleer first met Wood in Melbourne in 2017, she has never strayed from focusing on very large, very long-term ideas. The question is whether the changes she sees arriving by the end of this decade – bitcoin up 39-fold in seven years, for example – actually arrive.

‍As Chanticleer’s time with Wood winds up, I ask her to nominate the big idea that we’re not thinking enough about.

‍For all the focus on the damage AI could do to civilisation, Wood says we’re ignoring the potential benefits to humanity.

‍She gives the example of AI providing companionship to the elderly or even younger people; testing is under way to explore the benefits of an AI companion who knows your interests, can converse in topics of the day, and offer support, encouragement and guidance.

‍“I know it sounds crazy,” Wood says. Then again, that’s never really worried her.


This article was originally posted by The Australian Financial Review here.

Licensed by Copyright Agency. You must not copy this work without permission.

Recent Posts

Read the latest insights
A curated list of HM1 investor updates, portfolio news and other interesting articles.
Read More
Reporting Season Insights: HM1 Core Portfolio Holdings
We spoke to our dedicated fund managers for an update on some of our major portfolio holdings following reporting season.
The investing megatrends you can’t ignore (and some you should rethink)
James Marlay of Livewire sat down with Vihari Ross of Antipodes (HM1 Conference Fund Manager) and James Tsinidis of Munro Partners (HM1 Core Fund Manager) to discuss the biggest megatrends shaping the future.
2025: Where to Find Market Opportunities
There are opportunities abound for investors with an active management mindset in 2025. Get more insights from one of HM1's Core Fund managers, Magellan.
Significant increase in profit and increased fully franked dividend
We're pleased to declare an increased half-year fully franked dividend of 8.0 cents per share payable in April 2025.
 

Reporting Season Insights: HM1 Core Portfolio Holdings

We spoke to our dedicated fund managers for an update on some of our major portfolio holdings following reporting season.

Read More
March 10th, 2025
 

The investing megatrends you can’t ignore (and some you should rethink)

James Marlay of Livewire sat down with Vihari Ross of Antipodes (HM1 Conference Fund Manager) and James Tsinidis of Munro Partners (HM1 Core Fund Manager) to discuss the biggest megatrends shaping the future.

Read More
March 3rd, 2025
 

2025: Where to Find Market Opportunities

There are opportunities abound for investors with an active management mindset in 2025. Get more insights from one of HM1's Core Fund managers, Magellan.

Read More
February 25th, 2025
 

Significant increase in profit and increased fully franked dividend

We're pleased to declare an increased half-year fully franked dividend of 8.0 cents per share payable in April 2025.

Read More
February 20th, 2025
 

Magellan's Elisa Di Marco - 3 Trends That Will Define The Next Decade

Elisa Di Marco of Magellan (HM1 Core Fund Manager) joined Equity Mates to unpack 3 big megatrends shaping our world today (and how we can invest in them).

Read More
February 7th, 2025
 

Nine top stock picks to prepare your portfolio for 2025

Health care, ride-sharing, and the emerging world of YouTube entertainers are among the industries leading investors have picked for growth in 2025.

Read More
January 21st, 2025
 

Resources fundies reveal top picks ahead of ‘stellar’ 2025

Some of Australia’s biggest resources funds are gearing up for a bumper start to the new year.

Read More
January 6th, 2025
 

Qiao Ma: finding killer companies, surviving the GFC & why founders win

Qiao Ma, Portfolio Manager of the Munro Partners joins Owen Rask on The Australian Investors Podcast.

Read More
January 6th, 2025
 

10 top fund managers reveal their long-term stock picks

With valuations stretched and geopolitical tensions high, the new year offers plenty of potholes for investors. 

Read More
December 28th, 2024
 

Rikki Bannan – Don’t get caught up in momentum

Conference Fund Manager Rikki Bannan, Executive Director at IFM Investors, joins Equity Mates to discuss her standout 2023 stock pick, Telix, and explore what opportunities lie ahead.

Read More
December 19th, 2024
 

Professor Jane Butler: Sparking Hope for Spinal Cord Injuries

In this episode of the Hearts & Minds Podcast, we sit down with Professor Jane Butler to discuss her groundbreaking research into spinal cord injuries.

Read More
December 10th, 2024
 

Nick Griffin – The Nvidia story is not over

Nick Griffin, Founding Partner & Chief Investment Officer of Munro Partners joined the Equity Mates podcast in their Summer Series.

Read More
December 9th, 2024
 

HM1 CEO Succession

Hearts and Minds Investments Limited advises that Paul Rayson intends to retire from the position of Chief Executive Officer, effective 19 February 2025.

Read More
December 5th, 2024
 

How Trump will impact equity markets

The United States has spoken. President Trump has returned to the White House. But how can we cut through the noise to reveal the investment, economic and geopolitical ramifications?

Read More
November 26th, 2024
 

Trump unifies top investors in decade-long bullish outlook for US

Nick Moakes, CIO of the $72 billion Wellcome Trust, told the conference that too many investors were banking on a return to the ultra-low interest rates that prevailed over the past decade.

Read More
November 20th, 2024
 

These rock-star stock picks could get markets talking next year

Eleven rock stars of international and local funds management took to stage – each tasked with picking and pitching one company whose shares will take off over the next year.

Read More
November 18th, 2024
 

Is anyone brave or stupid enough to bet against America?

Stock pickers have been punished for betting against the US. The choice between consensus and contrarianism on American exceptionalism is now harder than ever.

Read More
November 17th, 2024
 

Sohn: NYSE-listed Estee Lauder’s Northcape Capital pick

Northcape Capital’s Fleur Wright this gives a rare opportunity to buy a high quality company at an attractive price.

Read More
November 15th, 2024
 

Sohn ASX stock pick: Ellerston Capital’s Chris Kourtis backs Perpetual

Chris Kourtis has put his biggest bet on embattled Perpetual – picking one of the most hated stocks on the ASX – that he believes will soon be the ‘cheapest listed asset manager of scale in the universe’.

Read More
November 15th, 2024
 

AI start-ups a threat to incumbent big companies

Paul Bassat predicts emerging artificial intelligence companies will disrupt sectors and overtake established incumbent companies just as rapidly as the seismic shifts that took place when the internet emerged in the mid-1990s.

Read More
November 15th, 2024
 

Howard Marks and Sohn’s big stars reveal seven rules for investing

Among the stock picks and stunts at the Sohh Hearts & Minds event, Howard Marks and Nick Moakes provided investors with long-term rules for playing markets.

Read More
November 15th, 2024
 

Sohn investors position for bullish but bumpy Trump ride

Australia and the rest of the world must adjust to a new Trump presidency that will deliver an expected bull market but also disruption, with the leader in waiting prepared to “create pain” to get his way.

Read More
November 15th, 2024
 

Sohn stock picker experts name best shares to invest in for year ahead

‍Don’t overlook down and out silver miners, legacy skincare brands ready for a revival and a big financial company suffering from a severe case of shareholder wealth destruction.

Read More
November 15th, 2024
 

Eleven stock tips from Sohn to get you through 2025

“There’s no finer place for the finance festival than in the festival city,” said Matthew Grounds. He, along with fellow Barrenjoey co-executive chairman Guy Fowler and investor Gary Weiss, is one of Sohn’s driving forces.

Read More
November 15th, 2024
 

Sohn Hearts & Minds Investments fund targets $1.5bn valuation

‍Hearts & Minds Investments chair Chris Cuffe is hoping for HM1 to grow to more than $1.5bn in the next five years.

Read More
November 14th, 2024
 

Galaxy Digital CEO Mike Novogratz believes bitcoin will hit $US100k

Bitcoin’s bounce to record highs in recent days is only the beginning of a fresh surge higher for cryptocurrency, says US billionaire Mike Novogratz.

Read More
November 9th, 2024
 

Why this New York hedge fund manager sees opportunity in European stocks

Influential New York-hedge fund manager Ricky Sandler will turn to Europe for his next stock pick.

Read More
November 6th, 2024
 

Antipodes’ Ross says short-term wealth hinges on US election

The portfolio manager says defensive stocks pose a bigger risk than the magnificent seven for investors that are overexposed to the American sharemarket.

Read More
November 5th, 2024
 

Concentration risk key for investors: Antipodes Partners’ Vihari Ross

The concentration risk in global stock indexes that has built up during the strong rise over the past year must now be a key consideration for global investors, according to Vihari Ross.

Read More
November 5th, 2024
 

The fundie betting big on China – with help from AI

Mr Mehta is sticking to his well-worn strategy: he’s hunting for companies across Asia that aren’t battling intense competition and have management teams focused on costs, cash generation and high payouts to shareholders.

Read More
November 5th, 2024